right i think forums are more friendlier places, you can ask a question and get a civilised answer i only go on bike sites and that appeals , someone was telling me a couple of years ago that he knows someone that goes face ache and the person was telling him that it is a site for slagging people off i think it probably has it's good points but if someone starts having a go at me i will just ignore it and not bother with a reply that's just the way i am