MooN Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 This was supposed to be a ride report! first day for ages that the temp wasn't around freezing and I was at home and had nothing else planned for the afternoon. Quick ride I says to meself, get a few miles in before curfew... "Oh" said Pooh, " I'll just replace Tigger's broken rear indicator before going out, cos it's dangling and we don't like dangling, do we?" I discovered it Dangling a few days ago and had picked up a new one from Triumph in Dijon yesterday. Replace an indicator... quick job you'd think... I could do this on the transalp in about 10 minutes ( having had plenty practice at dropping the tralp and breaking them) It's fixed on with one allen head bolt threaded into an insert or a clip inside, and the two electrical connectors under the seat...right... WRONG! I lifted the seat to find that the wiring is all hidden away under the rear fairing thingy and I can't get to it AND the allen bolt is not threaded into a captive clip but into a nut that is clearly turning with it and that I can't reach either. "POO" said Pooh, "I'll have to take the rear rack / topbox carrier off to access behind the rear light." So, 4 bolts to remove the luggage rack, easy right... WRONG... 4 bolts ringed in red were so tight I fucked the 12mm 1/8" drive socked getting the second one undone, obviously you cant get a spanner to them and I only have my smallest socket set with me. " Bollocks" said Pooh, as he realised he was going to have to drive to work to pick up his toolbox. So 40km and 45minutes later, with a proper 1/2" drive 12mmsocket and 6" ratchet I managed to get all 4 bolts out but they were obviously heavily overtightened when fitted. That's the 4 bolts out then... yep, but wait...what's this? below the sliding rack for the topbox is the original rack, with 4 more bolts ( ringed in yellow) 10mm this time and though dry and tight they drew with some progressive force but only needed the little socket and drive. Lift off the rack and.... OH FFS! Another plate with 2 more 12mm bolts ( ringed in blue). remember this is all in order to access 1 electrical connection and 1 nut for the indicator. Big socket out again, first one waaaaaay tighter than it ever should be, 2nd one...I didn't even need the ratchet handle... " FECK!" said Pooh, and swore loudly whilst throwing his toys out of the pram That's not normal! the bolt on the right came out first and the one on the left, from the marked hole, basically snapped as soon as I touched it. Not being a particularly patient bear, Pooh threw a wobbler at this point and sulked so hard that he didn't take any more pictures so I removed the passenger handle which left me with about 2mm of bolt proud of the frame, not enough to grab, or cut into, but luckily the broken surface was quite flat so a centre punch and a 3,5 and then 4,5 drill bit came into play, I only had a 6mm "easy out" in my box so that wasn't going to work but the easing oil I had applied earlier and the heat generated by drilling loosened it sufficiantly so that an old 4mm flatblade scredriver could be hammered into the hole I'd drilled into the bolt and used to twist the broken bolt end out. I was also lucky that I had an 8mm x 60mm stainless bolt in a box of bits in the shed that I could replace the broken one with. I replaced the indicator, checked it worked, and then put it all back together ( with a little grease on the bolt threads and not having a torque wrench, tightened to " contact + 1/4 turn" it was then nearly curfew time so I just managed to ride to the car wash and back, as I'd put it away dirty last time. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grasshopper Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 I feel your pain! The broken bolt blues is a little tune I was singing a few months ago! At least your bike is clean and ready for next time.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MooN Posted February 17, 2021 Author Share Posted February 17, 2021 On 17/02/2021 at 17:57, Grasshopper's Ride said: I feel your pain! The broken bolt blues is a little tune I was singing a few months ago! At least your bike is clean and ready for next time.... Expand I instantly thought of you when I felt that bolt let go! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grasshopper Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 On 17/02/2021 at 18:00, MooN said: I instantly thought of you when I felt that bolt let go! Expand Well it is nice to be thought of...... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XTreme Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 There's some rust on it though Chris? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catteeclan Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 A lot of rust, bit of a water trap going on there. Well done for keeping reasonably calm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Fallsalot Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 Nice recovery @MooN its such a good feeling when snapped things come out 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MooN Posted February 17, 2021 Author Share Posted February 17, 2021 On 17/02/2021 at 18:30, Catteeclan said: A lot of rust, bit of a water trap going on there. Well done for keeping reasonably calm. Expand well I didn't punch anybody 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MooN Posted February 17, 2021 Author Share Posted February 17, 2021 On 17/02/2021 at 19:03, Sir Fallsalot said: Nice recovery @MooN its such a good feeling when snapped things come out Expand I was lucky. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tym Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 Tools would be in low earth orbit here if i was Moon. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boboneleg Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 Most manufacturers overbuild stuff like that now Chris, that's why I like my DR650 so much, easy to fix most anything on there. I fear my Tenere is going to be a lot like your Tigger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skyrider Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 and grease that bolt before you put it back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catteeclan Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 On 19/02/2021 at 21:43, skyrider said: and grease that bolt before you put it back Expand Or some nice stainless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MooN Posted February 25, 2021 Author Share Posted February 25, 2021 Yesterday I took it all apart again. The bolt that I had available and used was a slot headed machine screw. The original bolt was a Hex head so There was on hex head bolt and one slot headed machine screw in there and though out of sight, it Irked me, so I got a couple of 8x70 A2 stainless bolts and a couple of 8x50 of the same, a couple of stainless washers and as I had some spare time wednesday afternoon I removed the offending bolt and tried the 8x50, which was too short, and the 8x 70 was too long. I cut down the 8x70 to make and 8x60 and fitted that, with it's washer. I then realised that my 8 mmbol has a 13mm hex head and the original one has a 12mm hex head. This being the sort of thing that drives me round the twist when I come across it at work, I cut down the 2nd 8x70 and fitted that as well so there are two identical stainless bolts now. @skyrider I work on boats, force of habit means all bolts were greased before being refitted 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XTreme Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 On 25/02/2021 at 18:07, MooN said: Yesterday I took it all apart again. The bolt that I had available and used was a slot headed machine screw. The original bolt was a Hex head so There was on hex head bolt and one slot headed machine screw in there and though out of sight, it Irked me, so I got a couple of 8x70 A2 stainless bolts and a couple of 8x50 of the same, a couple of stainless washers and as I had some spare time wednesday afternoon I removed the offending bolt and tried the 8x50, which was too short, and the 8x 70 was too long. I cut down the 8x70 to make and 8x60 and fitted that, with it's washer. I then realised that my 8 mmbol has a 13mm hex head and the original one has a 12mm hex head. This being the sort of thing that drives me round the twist when I come across it at work, I cut down the 2nd 8x70 and fitted that as well so there are two identical stainless bolts now. @skyrider I work on boats, force of habit means all bolts were greased before being refitted Expand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XTreme Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 On 26/02/2021 at 14:55, Bruce said: How do you compensate for torque settings then because you know they change if you grease them. It's a thing, it's called nut factor and also there is breakout factor with friction and tension coefficients. Do you torque then go gorilla? Or do you have a more scientific approach? Are you a copper, nickel or molybdinum sulphide lube'r and what K factor to you add to it? Does your additional required K cause galling of the threads or overtension the bolt? It's a facinating science it must be said. Expand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MooN Posted February 26, 2021 Author Share Posted February 26, 2021 On 26/02/2021 at 14:55, Bruce said: Oh, you do, do you. Next question. How do you compensate for torque settings then because you know they change if you grease them. It's a thing, it's called nut factor and also there is breakout factor with friction and tension coefficients. Do you torque then go gorilla? Or do you have a more scientific approach? Are you a copper, nickel or molybdinum sulphide lube'r and what K factor to you add to it? Does your additional required K cause galling of the threads or overtension the bolt? It's a facinating science it must be said. I am much more mundane, I just stick to the dry torque and then paint the cunt. Much easier it has to be said. Expand You remind me of the marine architect who drew the plans for an RNLI boarding boat we built when I was training, He'd decreed that the "stations" ( temporary forms around which the hull planking is done before fitting the frames and floors) were to be at 85.71428 cm apart. The master shipwright's first comment was " shall we tell him that we wrok to 1/8th of an inch tolerance...?" the difference between theory and practice, 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MooN Posted February 26, 2021 Author Share Posted February 26, 2021 2 tools only, WD40 and gaffer tape. If it moves and shouldn't, use the gaffer tape, if it doesn't move but should, use the WD40. I actually dont grease things with WD40 , I have a pot of marine grease. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MooN Posted February 27, 2021 Author Share Posted February 27, 2021 Interestingly, or not, I had another Busted bolt yesterday but at work and when I discovered it it was lucky thay my "Technician" is off sick ( skiving since 6th June 2020) or he would have a) got punched and b) got an official warning for " Faute professionel" (three af them and you're out). This is what I was working on. planned oil and gearbox oil change, oil filters, fuel filters, air filter and belts, then sort the oil leak which I have traced to the oil pressure guage senders on the side of the block then clean the whole thing properly which obviously hasn't been done for some time. Note the excellent designof the hydraulic pump on the front of the main pulley, you have to remove the bloody thing to change either belt...( that's why the bolts are half out) When I looked at changing the alternator belts, I found this set up on the lower alternator: The whole thing was waaay out of alignement and clearly not correctly fitted. A while back I found two green painted bolts and a bush on my desk, with no explanation of where they came from... now I know. This is clearly a large dose of taking the piss and "don't give a shit'ism and means that my "technicien" if he ever returns to work, clearly cannot be trusted and is therefore worthless to us. I retrieved the bolts from my box of " That looks specific, I wont throw it away" bits and spent an hour removing the sh!t, changeing the belts, refiting the correct bolts and spacer and realigning the whole. ( all torqued down to "two white knuckles" ) this is what it should look like 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boboneleg Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 You know what they say, if you want it done properly do it yourself.............................................. obviously this doesn't apply if Pete is near to the spanners 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XTreme Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 On 27/02/2021 at 12:57, MooN said: Interestingly, or not, I had another Busted bolt yesterday but at work and when I discovered it it was lucky thay my "Technician" is off sick ( skiving since 6th June 2020) or he would have a) got punched and b) got an official warning for " Faute professionel" (three af them and you're out). This is what I was working on. planned oil and gearbox oil change, oil filters, fuel filters, air filter and belts, then sort the oil leak which I have traced to the oil pressure guage senders on the side of the block then clean the whole thing properly which obviously hasn't been done for some time. Note the excellent designof the hydraulic pump on the front of the main pulley, you have to remove the bloody thing to change either belt...( that's why the bolts are half out) When I looked at changing the alternator belts, I found this set up on the lower alternator: The whole thing was waaay out of alignement and clearly not correctly fitted. A while back I found two green painted bolts and a bush on my desk, with no explanation of where they came from... now I know. This is clearly a large dose of taking the piss and "don't give a shit'ism and means that my "technicien" if he ever returns to work, clearly cannot be trusted and is therefore worthless to us. I retrieved the bolts from my box of " That looks specific, I wont throw it away" bits and spent an hour removing the sh!t, changeing the belts, refiting the correct bolts and spacer and realigning the whole. ( all torqued down to "two white knuckles" ) this is what it should look like Expand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Fallsalot Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 On 27/02/2021 at 12:57, MooN said: Interestingly, or not, I had another Busted bolt yesterday but at work and when I discovered it it was lucky thay my "Technician" is off sick ( skiving since 6th June 2020) or he would have a) got punched and b) got an official warning for " Faute professionel" (three af them and you're out). This is what I was working on. planned oil and gearbox oil change, oil filters, fuel filters, air filter and belts, then sort the oil leak which I have traced to the oil pressure guage senders on the side of the block then clean the whole thing properly which obviously hasn't been done for some time. Note the excellent designof the hydraulic pump on the front of the main pulley, you have to remove the bloody thing to change either belt...( that's why the bolts are half out) When I looked at changing the alternator belts, I found this set up on the lower alternator: The whole thing was waaay out of alignement and clearly not correctly fitted. A while back I found two green painted bolts and a bush on my desk, with no explanation of where they came from... now I know. This is clearly a large dose of taking the piss and "don't give a shit'ism and means that my "technicien" if he ever returns to work, clearly cannot be trusted and is therefore worthless to us. I retrieved the bolts from my box of " That looks specific, I wont throw it away" bits and spent an hour removing the sh!t, changeing the belts, refiting the correct bolts and spacer and realigning the whole. ( all torqued down to "two white knuckles" ) this is what it should look like Expand I hate going behind people in work it infuriates me, The job i was doing in Avonmouth was supposed to be a few days finishing off work one of our supervisors had done who we made redundant the end of January. I was there 3 weeks it was supposed to be a hazardous area install but he cut corners everywhere something which should never happen on this type of install especially on a site where 4 people died last year from a gas explosion, if the fucker wasn't made redundant he would have been sacked, we've also had two lads going over his shoddy work on another site for the last two weeks. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MooN Posted February 27, 2021 Author Share Posted February 27, 2021 On 27/02/2021 at 14:47, Bruce said: Ah ha! I notice all bar a couple bolts are painted. Excellent work Moon. Remember to touch up when you're finished Expand it'll need that leak sorting and then a bloody good clean before any paint will stick to it 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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