Hugh Janus Posted April 27, 2021 Share Posted April 27, 2021 Phone calls, emails, and text messages came flooding in when I posted a teaser photo after my first day on the 2021 Harley-Davidson Pan America 1250 Special. Well? How is it? Is it a competitor? And the most important question: Did they pull it off?Yes. Yes, they did.The 2021 Harley-Davidson Pan America 1250 Special is finally here and it is darn good. (Kevin Wing/)Harley-Davidson has built a legitimate adventure-touring motorcycle. I’m going to get hate mail from both H-D loyalists and adventure fiends, but I’ll say it: The 2021 Harley-Davidson Pan America 1250 Special is the best motorcycle The Motor Company has ever produced.There. I said it. I stand by it. Come at me. Harley has succeeded, much to the dismay of the social media naysayers.The 2021 Harley-Davidson Pan America 1250 Special has an MSRP of $19,999 and is expected in dealers May 2021. (Kevin Wing/)Powering the Pan America 1250 is H-D’s new Revolution Max 1250, a liquid-cooled 60-degree 1,252cc V-twin. It’s a completely new engine designed from the ground up as the centerpiece, and structural chassis member, of the Pan America. Dual overhead cams are independently variable via cam phasers, operated by hydraulic pressure controlled by a solenoid plunger. Cam timing can be adjusted through 40 degrees of rotation, and because every cam has a phaser, front and rear cylinder valve timing are independent as well. Harley-Davidson pointed out that the drive-side cam journal is part of the drive sprocket, making it possible to remove the camshafts without disassembling the camshaft drive, simplifying service or upgrades. Roller-finger valve actuation is maintenance-free thanks to hydraulic valve lash adjustment.Crankshaft connecting-rod journals are offset 30 degrees, making for a 90-degree firing order, which Harley claims produces more on-power traction in the dirt. Forged aluminum pistons stroke through 72.1mm in a 104.9mm bore and feature a low-friction coating on the skirts, low-tension piston rings (again, to reduce friction), an anodized top ring land for durability, and underside oil jets for heat dissipation. The large bore requires the use of a dual spark plug design for complete and rapid intake-charge combustion. The compression ratio is 13.0:1, meaning the Revolution Max requires 91-octane fuel for best performance; knock sensors will trigger less aggressive ignition timing and fueling ratios. This will reduce the power, and although H-D reps declined to give a minimum octane number, they claim the engine can be run safely in regions with “low quality” gasoline.The all-new Revolution Max 1250 engine powers the Pan America. (Kevin Wing/)Wow. That’s the short of it when describing the Revolution Max, and the first word my furry mug blurted out as I grabbed my first handful of throttle in Sport mode. Power comes on strong at around 2,200 rpm and continues to build with more and more velocity as you cross the 8,500-rpm mark. After that it begins to taper off in aggression until you reach the rev limiter at 9,500 rpm. That’s 9,500 rpm from a Harley. And while the low-end and top-end performance are impressive, it’s the middle of the digital tach that is the sweetest. Third gear is a set-and-forget mark for winding backroads, as the Max pulls with simple tenacity at the 5K mark to spring you out of the corners. The lean-sensitive traction control, C-TCS in Harley-speak, is the least restrictive in this mode and will let the standard, specially developed Michelin Scorcher Adventure tires do much of the work. The future of this engine is very bright indeed.A claimed 150 hp and 94 pound-feet for torque from the Revolution Max 1250 make the Pan America a lively ride. Variable valve timing helps make it tractable. (Kevin Wing/)While Sport mode is the most aggressive and impressive of your choices, H-D has equipped the Pan America with Road, Rain, Off-Road, and Off-Road Plus modes. These modes are not only tied to engine performance but to suspension settings, engine-braking, and ABS settings. Road mode reduces that midrange stonk, but there’s still plenty of power on tap for any road work that doesn’t demand making the time between the corners short as possible. Rain mode reduces power significantly, but as there wasn’t even a chance of precipitation during our two-day test, only a quick confirmation of reduced power and maximum C-TCS was performed. Off-Road and Off-Road Plus provide a power level suited for dirt duty with a tractable character and reduced top-end power.There are also three user-customizable modes: Custom A, Custom B, and Custom Off-Road Plus. These allow the rider to set power level, throttle response, engine-braking, and C-TCS settings, along with the Showa electronically adjustable semi-active suspension fitted to the Pan America 1250 Special; the standard model comes with manually adjustable Showa suspension. A button on the right side of the bars allows the C-TCS to shut off completely with a long push while stopped. I played with the custom modes for the street, but Sport mode was where I lived for most of my time on asphalt.The Revolution Max is a unitized powertrain, meaning the transmission is integrated in the same case as the engine, unlike H-D traditional Big Twins. It’s a six-speed unit with roller bearings on the shift drum and Teflon-coated shift-shaft bushings. The cable-actuated clutch is a slipper/assist unit. And here we discover the first of a few misses on the Pan America: There’s no quickshifter. Clutchless upshifting and downshifting has become a common feature in big-bore adventure motorcycles and Harley’s omission is a big oversight, especially because the Revolution Max 1250 is so rev-happy. Clicking through the gears is solid, with quick and effortless engagement, and the clutch pull is light thanks to the assist design. But I still want the snappiness and convenience of a quickshifter.On or off the road, we wish the Pan America came equipped with a bidirectional quickshifter. (Kevin Wing/)The Pan America’s engine is impressive; the chassis is noteworthy. The Revolution Max engine is the main chassis structural component, with three frame assemblies attached. The package is light and rigid: A front frame for the steering head, a mid-frame that attaches the rear suspension, and a steel subframe for rider, passenger, and luggage. Attached to the front and mid-frame is the 1250 Special-specific semi-active electronic suspension. Other Pan America 1250 Special bits include tire pressure monitoring, a centerstand, brush guards, an aluminum skid plate, hand guards, heated grips, an Öhlins steering damper, a multiposition brake pedal, and a Daymaker Signature adaptive headlight for illuminating corners.RELATED: 2021 Harley-Davidson Pan America 1250 First LookThe Special test units we rode also included two factory-installed options: $500 tubeless cross-spoke wheels and $1,000 Adaptive Ride Height (ARH). The former is good to have, and the latter is an adventure-touring game changer. The electronically controlled suspension’s preload is automatically set at an optimal 30-percent preload sag no matter rider weight, passenger weight, or luggage load. But that’s not the important bit.Our test Pan America 1250 Special was fitted with tubeless cross-spoke wheels to handle the rigors of off-roading. (Kevin Wing/)That would be how Adaptive Ride Height lowers the suspension when coming to a stop, effectively dropping seat height 1 to 2 inches depending on rear weight load. This makes the reach to the ground much easier for all riders, not just those with shorter inseams. Standard seat height on the non-ARH bike is 31.1 inches in low position and 32.1 in high. With ARH, the seat drops to just above 30 inches when stopped. Combined with the accessory low seat in its lowest of two positions, the seat can be as low as 28.1 inches, depending on your weight. How’s that for approachable?The best part is you don’t even feel it working on the automatic setting. You just arrive at a stop and you can touch the ground much easier than expected. In fact, for the first half hour I didn’t even think about it as I was paying attention to engine feel and chassis stability. Then I noticed how easy it was to maneuver on the gravelly turnouts for photo passes. The system begins to lower when the bike’s speed reduces to 15.5 mph and will vary lowering speed depending on braking rate, lever force, and chassis attitude. For those worried about losing ground clearance while off-road at slower speeds, there are options for a short (0.5 second) and long (2 seconds) delay in deployment of ARH after stopping, or the system can be locked out completely. Harley-Davidson has found a solution, so simple now that you see it, to make big-bore adventure-touring more accessible for those not comfortable with either standard ADV ride heights or the compromises that come with lowered suspension systems from other manufacturers.Harley-Davidson has a full line of accessories available for the Pan America, including a Screamin’ Eagle exhaust that cuts 7 pounds and a skid plate that better protects the voltage regulator/rectifier that is perched right behind the front wheel. (Kevin Wing/)The semi-active suspension is well damped in each of its five suspension settings. Sport is just firm enough to be well composed under hard braking and acceleration, with just enough squat and dive to efficiently transfer weight for excellent traction feel at both ends. Balance, used in Road mode, mellows out the ride with softer compression damping to smooth out imperfections in the road surface. Comfort, to be honest, felt similar to Road for the limited time I spent with it, though it did feel a little softer in all directions of suspension movement.Sport suspension mode turns the Pan America 1250 Special into a capable canyon carver. (Kevin Wing/)Off-Road Soft is ideal for washboard roads and rocky or bumpy terrain at slower speeds. Once you get the considerable weight of a fully fueled Pan America 1250 Special moving at rally speeds—or what feels like rally speeds—the Off-Road Soft bangs and bottoms out quickly. Off-Road Firm, then, is the only way to fly when off-road, so you don’t have to constantly make changes to match your speed and terrain. It’s stiff enough to stand up to bigger square-edged bumps and moderately sized obstacles. Even when it does bottom out, dragging bits of the centerstand and the right side of the skid plate, the path is predictable and stable. It’s perfectly capable of tackling the same terrain as other big bores at the same pace. A couple instances of headshake under neutral throttle over a rocky section made me wonder if the Öhlins steering damper really did anything.This is Off-Road Firm territory on the optional semi-active Showa suspension ride modes. (Kevin Wing/)Slowing the Pan America are radial-mount four-piston Monoblock Brembo calipers matched to 320mm rotors in the front and a floating single-piston Brembo caliper with a 280mm disc in the rear. The front and rear are linked in all modes except for Off-Road Plus, with the linking function proportional to your braking force input at the lever or pedal. More force links the brakes more strongly; light braking barely triggers the linked function. The Cornering Enhanced Electronic Linked Braking system works well, and ABS is not intrusive in any mode. Off-Road Plus braking mode disables rear-brake ABS and linking to allow for slides in the dirt; this is not an option in the street custom modes.Brembo braking components and lean-sensitive ABS slow the Pan America without drama. (Kevin Wing/)Some fiddling with the Custom Off-Road Plus mode allowed me to find the perfect setup for my aggressive off-road riding style. Adjusting power, engine-braking, ABS, and suspension setting is easy and quick once you learn your way around the full-color TFT screen, menu system, and buttons, or just forgo the buttons and use the touchscreen function, which works great with gloves. My personal Pan America 1250 Special recipe for dirt blasting: Power in Sport, for the hardest hit and a lively and light feel; Throttle Response at +1 for quick responses to throttle inputs in the dirt; Engine Braking at max, which keeps rear tire traction more consistent on deceleration; Suspension in Off-Road Firm to hold up to higher-speed impacts and jumps; ABS in Off-Road to allow rear wheel lockup to tighten up sharp turns; Traction Control set to off, to allow for steering with the rear at speed, though at slow speeds you have to be more precise with your throttle inputs. And make sure you’ve got the accessory Michelin Anakee Wild tires equipped. Ready to rip!Customizing the Pan America’s ride modes is easy via the full-color TFT touchscreen. (Kevin Wing/)Ergonomics are, for the most part, wonderful. The reach to the bars is an easy one for my 5-foot-10-inch frame, but I opted for the 2-inch-taller risers for a better position while standing. This made the bars a bit tall for seated riding; a 1-inch rise would be darn near perfect, so hopefully H-D offers more options in the future. The seat is soft and cushy, to a fault; after 45 minutes, my rear end began to become sore, as the seat lacks support for long stints in the saddle. The adjustable windshield provides excellent air management without buffeting in any of its four positions, which by the way span 1.8 inches.The Pan America ‘s seat is plush—too plush. Firmer foam and a more supportive shape are needed for long stints if your backside is sensitive to fatigue. (Kevin Wing/)After two full days on the Pan America 1250 Special, not all was rosy. During the second day, I encountered a check-engine light and a warning light regarding modes while hard on the gas in the dirt. A key-on-and-off cycle fixed the issue; Harley techs say the units we were riding are preproduction, and that some parameters are still being finalized before units are expected to arrive in dealerships in May. My windshield adjustment lever became nonfunctional after a full day of dirt duty and wouldn’t move from the low position; this system should be more robust for the rigors of off-roading. As the temperature rose in the Mojave Desert so did the heat radiated to my right boot from the Pan America’s catalytic converter. When the ambient temp gauge reached 94 degrees Fahrenheit, the heat became nearly unbearable at speeds below 45 mph.The well-shaped windscreen provides a turbulence-free rider air pocket, but the adjustment mechanism on our test unit stopped functioning after a hard day of off-roading. (Kevin Wing/)My two days ripping around in the desert on roads and trails yielded significantly higher fuel consumption than Harley’s EPA estimated 46 mpg. The first day I hit zero miles remaining (just two dashes showing on the gauges rather than a number) at 155 miles. Day 2 saw slightly better range; the bike hit the double dashes at 176 miles. One rider in our group ran dry at 181 miles; calculating for 5.6 gallons gives us 32.3 mpg. Granted, photography and testing at a launch require an unusually heavy right hand, and we look forward to testing the Pan America in a wider variety of conditions.Throwing the Pan America around on the street and dirt gives no clue to its overall weight. The $17,319 standard unit has a claimed wet weight of 539 pounds; the Special is a claimed 559 pounds in standard trim ($19,999), but the optional spoked wheels will add 14 pounds. Harley claimed the units we rode were at 574 pounds with a full tank of gas, spoked wheels, and ARH. Despite that impressively large final number, the bike feels light and flickable thanks to a slim seat and tank area and a lack of weight high up.“Flickable” might be my buzz word for the Pan America 1250 Special. (Kevin Wing/)Harley-Davidson has entered the adventure-touring market with a real competitor for the icons of the segment. It’s powerful, it’s capable, and it’s innovative, all without losing Harley-Davidson identity. As much as the internet wanted a train wreck, H-D has delivered a locomotive. The Pan America will change the face of Harley in the eyes of many motorcyclists. For now, I’m setting my auto replies to “Yes, Harley-Davidson has built an adventure bike. And yes, it’s good.”2021 Harley-Davidson Pan America 1250 Special Specifications MSRP: $19,999 Engine: DOHC, liquid-cooled, 60-degree V-twin; 4 valves/cyl. Displacement: 1,252cc Bore x Stroke: 104.9 x 72.1mm Compression Ratio: 13.0:1 Transmission/Final Drive: 6-speed/chain Claimed Horsepower: 150 hp @ 9,000 rpm Claimed Torque: 94 lb.-ft. @ 6,750 rpm Fuel System: Electronic Sequential Port Fuel Injection (ESPFI) Clutch: Wet, multiplate slipper/assist; cable actuation Frame: Stressed-member alloy steel trellis; forged aluminum mid-structure Front Suspension: 47mm inverted fork, electronically adjustable semi-active damping, optional Adjustable Ride Height; 7.5 in. travel Rear Suspension: Piggyback monoshock; electronically adjustable semi-active compression and rebound damping, automatic electronic preload, optional Adjustable Ride Height; 7.5 in. travel Front Brake: 4-piston Brembo monoblock calipers, 320mm disc w/ ABS Rear Brake: 1-piston Brembo caliper, 280mm disc w/ ABS Wheels, Front/Rear: Cast aluminum, optional anodized aluminum laced tubeless; 19 x 3 in. / 17 x 4.5 in. Tires, Front/Rear: Michelin Scorcher Adventure Radial; 120/70R-19 / 170/60R-17 Rake/Trail: 25.0°/6.2 in. Wheelbase: 62.2 in. Ground Clearance: 8.3 in. Seat Height: 31.1 in./32.1 im. Fuel Capacity: 5.6 gal. Claimed /Wet Weight: 559 lb. Availability: May 2021 Contact: harley-davidson Source Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MooN Posted April 27, 2021 Share Posted April 27, 2021 I still think that it won't sell. Not in Europe anyway, the aesthetics of that front end... and it's a Harley. there'a a huge portion of the riding world who would refuse to buy one however good it is on those two criteria alone. I'm not saying they're right, i'm just saying they exist. Add to this the lack of dealers and tech support outside of the US and you have another reason to not want one. Like it or not, these are all real factors in motorcycle choice. However, they have called it the "Pan America" which situates its target demographic pretty clearly in the US, which is where they already have a serious market, the dealer network is more developed and being a domestic product is a sales argument rather than the contraire. So far I have only read reports from professional riders or journalists, mostly from manufacturer organised test days. The real information will come when Joe public gets his grubby hands on it and starts dropping it and using all the wrong settings, and generally abusing it. I've already seen on various "adventure" sites, the nay sayers who ask "what happens when it breaks down half way across africa" " how you going to service the variable valve timing at the roadside in a guatemalan monsoon" .... "Pan America" if they have designed it for that purpose then I imagine it fits pretty much it's design brief. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catteeclan Posted April 27, 2021 Share Posted April 27, 2021 I'm sure some will like the look but to me it's as ugly as it is heavy. I'd still have a go. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckster Posted April 27, 2021 Share Posted April 27, 2021 2 hours ago, MooN said: I've already seen on various "adventure" sites, the nay sayers who ask "what happens when it breaks down half way across africa" " how you going to service the variable valve timing at the roadside in a guatemalan monsoon" .... "Pan America" if they have designed it for that purpose then I imagine it fits pretty much it's design brief. The same way you put the cylinder head back on the big GS after you have dropped it for the umpteenth time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MooN Posted April 27, 2021 Share Posted April 27, 2021 I was going to say that the same could be said of almost any modern bike, fry the electrics and yer fecked wherever you are, the location will simply make the repair take more or less time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MooN Posted April 27, 2021 Share Posted April 27, 2021 59 minutes ago, Catteeclan said: I'm sure some will like the look but to me it's as ugly as it is heavy. I'd still have a go. 25kilosmore than my tiger... which is 30 kilos more than the tralp was... not sure I could pick it up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slowlycatchymonkey Posted April 27, 2021 Share Posted April 27, 2021 Yep thats what I was thinking, what modern bikes do have spares readily available across the globe. The Enfields not bad.. not that I’m biased nor nuffin The heavy and the ugly part puts me off but Id want to ride it and see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slowlycatchymonkey Posted April 27, 2021 Share Posted April 27, 2021 253kg blimey. I could probably pick it up once.. if it fell on a nice flat bit... which it wouldnt cos you dont come off on nice flat bits. And $19,000 into the bargain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tym Posted April 28, 2021 Share Posted April 28, 2021 I have a skidplate like that on my cj-5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaughn at Autoweek Posted May 12, 2021 Share Posted May 12, 2021 Here's another take on the Pan America: https://www.autoweek.com/drives/a36390685/harley-davidson-pan-america-adventure-motorcycle/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pedro Posted May 12, 2021 Share Posted May 12, 2021 Dealer availability varies wildly from country to country. Harley dealers here aren't worse than Triumph ones, or more unfriendly than Ducati ones either. A Harley shouldn't need that much maintenance either, I'd trust the brand in needing less unscheduled fixes than most others too. Nobody questions BMW, KTM or Ducati with the same "what happens when you need...xxx.... away from a dealer" and they aren't any worse. Sure BMW might have better parts availability than any of the other three in African or Asian countries on account of its car network, but parts availability in Mongolia or Botswana is not really a factor for choosing one of these bikes, is it? I like the concept, don't like the looks but am reserving a serious opinion on when I see one live. I don't like the less suspension travel than the GS, and the GS's short wheelbase comes as a nice bonus to the BMW suspension, but I like that it's got a Harley twin, should sound nice and be a very characterful alternative. It's also 150hp, which isn't a selling point per se, but Harley does know how to make a V-Twin. What I really don't like is that it's got a chain instead of a great Harley belt... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slowlycatchymonkey Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catteeclan Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 19 hours ago, Pedro said: What I really don't like is that it's got a chain instead of a great Harley belt... Can't imagine a belt would last long in gravel and sand, but could be wrong. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pedro Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 3 hours ago, Catteeclan said: Can't imagine a belt would last long in gravel and sand, but could be wrong. I assume you're right, but I think it would be a very cool alternative to a shaft drive for 90% of users. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catteeclan Posted May 14, 2021 Share Posted May 14, 2021 Not one of those pics gives a clear view of the left side??? 7 hours ago, Pedro said: I assume you're right, but I think it would be a very cool alternative to a shaft drive for 90% of users. Maybe you're right as most of these sold will never see the dirt. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tym Posted May 14, 2021 Share Posted May 14, 2021 My best guess is those chains will outlast the first few riders, transfer power better to the rear wheel then a shaft, consume less power and if you like you can change the rear ends ratio's with ease compared to a shaft or belt. Other than that chains suck cause you have to clean the back wheel more often. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Fallsalot Posted May 14, 2021 Share Posted May 14, 2021 6 hours ago, Tym said: My best guess is those chains will outlast the first few riders, transfer power better to the rear wheel then a shaft, consume less power and if you like you can change the rear ends ratio's with ease compared to a shaft or belt. Other than that chains suck cause you have to clean the back wheel more often. Or you can just leave the rear wheel with a healthy coating of chain lube 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boboneleg Posted May 15, 2021 Share Posted May 15, 2021 I suppose that bike makes sense in USA but to me it looks like an expensive waste of time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfalfa Posted May 22, 2021 Share Posted May 22, 2021 On 15/05/2021 at 13:03, boboneleg said: I suppose that bike makes sense in USA but to me it looks like an expensive waste of time. Interesting point. Like our autos, our motorcycles are made for the type of traveling you can do, mostly in the western states. Wide open, huge distances (California is over 700 miles long. I have to travel 2300 miles to get to Tennessee to buy my moonshine). Roads are wide and flat for the most part. The spaces between the roads (in the west) are also wide open. Like the GS, this bike will be an SUV for most riders. For the merry band of #AGALOS, we will hurt ourselves riding them like dirt bikes. Sunday is my turn on the bike, at Lake Elsinore (of On any Sunday fame). I understand we get to play in the dirt, even if it is a level, gravel lot. Unguided road rides means i will get to test the bike in Sport mode, and enjoy all 150 horses! Y'all make it out to Cali and you will see why most Europeans we run into on the highway are on Harley's. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfalfa Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 So, made it down to Lake Elsinore on Saturday. My appt was for Sunday, but a friend had his for Sat afternoon and then wanted to go play in the hills afterwards. Riding the twisty's sounded like fun so i blasted down after breakfast, showing up at the test area just after 1. There was a pretty good setup going. As is almost always the case, there were more reservations made than ridres showed, so i actually got to ride one, instead of waiting until Sunday a.m. This dovetailed nicely into our weekend plans, so off i went after a quick course on how the bike worked. I chose a "special" model (the one with auto-lowering, crash bars, extra riding modes, etc.). The only rules were to leave in RAIN mode, until familiar with the bike and return it unscathed. They had a long, if not boring route around the lake. Probably a good 15 miles, i would say. All town riding, but it did have some long stretches with no stops. Half a block out of the staging area, i hit SPORT mode, and man, what an engine! Very peppy response, firm suspension! Fun to play with. The only thing that bothered me (strong word, as it wasnt that bad( was a little throttle lag when shifting. I think that would go away the more you got familiar with the bike. The bike was comfortable enough on the streets. Mirrors seems a mite small, tho. Ergos were good for a 32-inch inseam. The lowering was interesting and should prove very popular for the shorter legged, or when offroad. After returning, i saw my buddy talking to one of the GS Giant friends, who was overseeing the offroad section. Well, it wasnt paved, but it wasnt really offroad. I guess HD lawyers are just as anal as BMW ones. I understand from our friend that it was quite the battle to just get permission to take the bikes into a level gravel area for some "testing". One bike at a time on the course was the rule. If you dropped the bike, you were done. Speed limit was 25mph, but there was no radar to keep you honest. So, wink, wink. When it was my turn, i took off on the slow slalom, getting used to the feel in loose stuff. Then came easy 180s, followed by a circle test. Did both sets of tests sitting and then standing. Bike was good at maintaining speed by clutching. Power felt good, not as low end as the GS, but not bad. The interesting test was the acceleration and braking, using the offroad ABS for hard braking. Very impressive as the bike slid to a controlled, straight stop. All in all, i think Harley has a winner with this bike. Consider is an SUV and you will see what the market and use should/will be. Meaning, hauling your crap long distances so that you can get dirty. I'm just hoping that they get their converts from their own base, as well as those who have been dual-sporting/adv-ing all along. Case in point - amongst all the bikes that were there, waiting to ride, most were dual sports, with only one HD bike. Not sure if that was someone test riding, or an employee, tho. Now, to sit down and figure out if i need 7 bikes............. (p.s., the HD Branded Revit gear is really good looking and looks long wearing!) 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckster Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 I’ve only sat on the display one they had here, I thought it needed a higher seat. They would not let me try to adjust it even though I understand it can be raised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Fallsalot Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 7 hours ago, alfalfa said: Is there a screen missing on those or is that how they are Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pedro Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 39 minutes ago, Sir Fallsalot said: Is there a screen missing on those or is that how they are I bet there's a screen missing for the offroad event. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pedro Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 7 hours ago, alfalfa said: Now, to sit down and figure out if i need 7 bikes............. For one bike only, based on your limited experience with the Harley: this or the GS? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfalfa Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 11 hours ago, Buckster said: I’ve only sat on the display one they had here, I thought it needed a higher seat. They would not let me try to adjust it even though I understand it can be raised. there are 3 seat types, low to high. should fit you, pretty easily Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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