XTreme Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 Just had these through this morning! The top one is the Strom 650 2007 which is €48. The bottom one is the car Citroen Xsara Picasso 1.6 HDI 2007 which is nearly €55. So that's a total of €103.......about £90.......for the year! What sort of cost is it where you are? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckster Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 My car is £30, bike is £91 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XTreme Posted May 13, 2020 Author Share Posted May 13, 2020 14 minutes ago, Buckster said: My car is £30, bike is £91 How is the car so cheap? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckster Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 46 minutes ago, XTreme said: How is the car so cheap? Age and emissions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boboneleg Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 I'm not even going there, I have a 3.5 litre car, it's not cheap to tax 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tym Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 i have no idea, i just pay the govt tokeep fucking up, permit to live, permit to die, when will justice say they have to suffer too...when will i learn, when will they die.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Fallsalot Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 Too much that's how much. I recon tax should be transferable from vehicle to vehicle i have to tax 5 and do a few thousand miles a year yet you can have something that's almost tax exempt that can do 50000 mile a year don't make sense Its about time it went on fuel so you can pay as you drive 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Specs Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 2 hours ago, Sir Fallsalot said: Too much that's how much. I recon tax should be transferable from vehicle to vehicle i have to tax 5 and do a few thousand miles a year yet you can have something that's almost tax exempt that can do 50000 mile a year don't make sense Its about time it went on fuel so you can pay as you drive Just put the tax on fuel and be done with it. The more miles you do, the more you pay. Maybe that's too easy. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renegade Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 Car £30 bike £91 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yen_powell Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 My car is £260 a year, my bike is £91. I think the bike tax is fucking disgraceful, I'm doing the country a favour using a bike to commute to work and that's how they repay me. It comes to something when motorbike tax is higher than insurance. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Fallsalot Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 19 hours ago, Specs said: Just put the tax on fuel and be done with it. The more miles you do, the more you pay. Maybe that's too easy. Yes and all the tax dodgers will be paying as well 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pedro Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 12 minutes ago, BusBoy said: Dumbasses. They'll just tax fuel more anyway and still lump you with vehicle tax now in the form of green tax. Its a win win. Agreed, it's pretty universal nowadays, the specific point of each tax has lost it's meaning and it's all been merged into a huge bowl of sucking money from the tax payer. They'll just say vehicle tax is to pay for the roads and shit like that while fuel tax is to pay for environmental policy changes, while in reality they'll just make reasons to try and increase each part of the government's earning bowl any way they can make believable. I have a 3 liter diesel car from 2001, paying over 600€ tax, and around 120 for the bike. Yet Portugal is by far the country with less minimum wage between all mentioned here. We have most motorways as toll paying roads as well. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XTreme Posted May 14, 2020 Author Share Posted May 14, 2020 5 minutes ago, Pedro said: I have a 3 liter diesel car from 2001, paying over 600€ tax, and around 120 for the bike. Yet Portugal is by far the country with less minimum wage between all mentioned here. We have most motorways as toll paying roads as well. Shit! That's just extortionate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pedro Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 Even more so when you consider that someone on minimum wage would be working a full month to pay for my car's road tax. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XTreme Posted May 14, 2020 Author Share Posted May 14, 2020 5 minutes ago, Pedro said: Even more so when you consider that someone on minimum wage would be working a full month to pay for my car's road tax. People are actually earning as little as that a month? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pedro Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 We got some good things in Portugal, though, good wine is the cheapest in Europe Helps you forget about the costs of driving Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pedro Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 Not so long ago it was a little over 500, currently 635€ and a large part of the population is earning that. Average wage is probably around 900. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XTreme Posted May 14, 2020 Author Share Posted May 14, 2020 6 minutes ago, Pedro said: Not so long ago it was a little over 500, currently 635€ and a large part of the population is earning that. Average wage is probably around 900. I always thought of Portugal having a higher standard of living than Spain. I suppose it's because people there seem to better educated than here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pedro Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 1 minute ago, XTreme said: I always thought of Portugal having a higher standard of living than Spain. I suppose it's because people there seem to better educated than here. Spaniards' spending power is a lot more than Portuguese, but they are also used to spending more when eating out or having drinks, all that stuff is quite more expensive than in Portugal. However, I wouldn't say Portuguese live worse than Spaniards, we eat as well as Spaniards but cheaper, and drink far better than Spaniards for cheaper as well. Some things are historically a lot cheaper in Spain though, like fuel, cigarettes, cars, etc But, it's a given that a factory worker in Spain can indulge in a better life than the guy doing the same job in Portugal. I think we are better educated and for sure a lot better at speaking foreign languages, that's why a lot of back office work is coming to Portugal, because they save 30% pay for a workforce that can compete with any european country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XTreme Posted May 14, 2020 Author Share Posted May 14, 2020 Foreign languages definitely......I think I've met only 2 or 3 Spaniards who are competent in English since I've been here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Fallsalot Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 1 hour ago, BusBoy said: Dumbasses. They'll just tax fuel more anyway and still lump you with vehicle tax now in the form of green tax. Its a win win. Your only saying that because your tub uses a 1000L of diesel an hour before you open the taps what i'm saying is they should get rid of the tax on road going vehicles and put it on fuel so everyone contributes but as Alan said that's too simple to work Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catteeclan Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 For some reason over here diesel cars are cheaper to tax even though it's gonna cost a packet to the NHS, if still going in years to come, for all the cancer and respiratory probs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toph Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 My daughter's car..Toyota Aygo 1000cc petrol engined car..£20 a year road tax. My Bike...Yamaha FZ1..1000cc petrol engined motorcycle..£91 a year road tax.. Go figure.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Specs Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 They don't like bikes. Just blanket charges according to cubic capacity rather than emissions like cars. My car BMW 520d £30. Bike BMW R1200GS £91. s 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pedro Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 It's not a matter of liking bikes or not, it's pure marketing. Can they tax a small economy car with 100 quid a year of tax and get away with it politically? No. Can they heavily tax a bike that is owned by a minority of voters with no political weight who are also bike enthusiasts and are willing to suffer for their hobby / lifestyle? Yes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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