Buckster Posted May 16, 2023 Share Posted May 16, 2023 10 minutes ago, Pedro said: So @XTreme: Viscosity is how thin or thick an oil is, like honey is thicker than olive oil when pouring out of a bottle. 10 would be olive oil, 60 would be honey. Weight in oils comes from a time when you couldn't engineer oils to be single weight, they would be a 10, a 20, etc, but all thicker cold than hot. Now they can engineer oils to act like a 10 when cold but act like a 30 or 40 or 50 when hot. The first number, 10W, means viscosity of 10 at W which means Winter, cold temperatures. A 10W30 and 10W40 will act the same at start up when the engine is cold at the same cold temperature. Usually, a motorcycle manual will allow for weather and ambient temperatures, meaning the manufacturer might adjust advisement that the same engine will make oil run hotter being raced hard on 40º Spain than going for a bimble on 15º England, hence they sometimes recommend a 10W40 for 5º/20º temperatures but 20W50 for 15º/40º ambient temperatures. If Honda says Loncin makes that engine to be used with 10W30 in all uses in all temperatures, I would respect that. No modern engine benefits from using thicker oils than recomended except in very extreme conditions, however, do check if Honda doesn't recommend 10W40 for warm temperatures. It's a light engine, with tight clearances and meant to run with little internal frictions to aid economy and performance, makes sense that it uses a light oil. Does not make sense that it doesn't want a fully synthetic oil, though. @Slowlycatchymonkey, have you hacked @Pedro’s account? 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pedro Posted May 16, 2023 Share Posted May 16, 2023 Just now, Buckster said: @Slowlycatchymonkey, have you hacked @Pedro’s account? I thought the same thing after looking at what I wrote, but decided to not delete all that work 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XTreme Posted May 16, 2023 Author Share Posted May 16, 2023 24 minutes ago, Pedro said: So @XTreme: Viscosity is how thin or thick an oil is, like honey is thicker than olive oil when pouring out of a bottle. 10 would be olive oil, 60 would be honey. Weight in oils comes from a time when you couldn't engineer oils to be single weight, they would be a 10, a 20, etc, but all thicker cold than hot. Now they can engineer oils to act like a 10 when cold but act like a 30 or 40 or 50 when hot. The first number, 10W, means viscosity of 10 at W which means Winter, cold temperatures. A 10W30 and 10W40 will act the same at start up when the engine is cold at the same cold temperature. Usually, a motorcycle manual will allow for weather and ambient temperatures, meaning the manufacturer might adjust advisement that the same engine will make oil run hotter being raced hard on 40º Spain than going for a bimble on 15º England, hence they sometimes recommend a 10W40 for 5º/20º temperatures but 20W50 for 15º/40º ambient temperatures. If Honda says Loncin makes that engine to be used with 10W30 in all uses in all temperatures, I would respect that. No modern engine benefits from using thicker oils than recomended except in very extreme conditions, however, do check if Honda doesn't recommend 10W40 for warm temperatures. It's a light engine, with tight clearances and meant to run with little internal frictions to aid economy and performance, makes sense that it uses a light oil. Does not make sense that it doesn't want a fully synthetic oil, though. It's 10-30 right across the board Pedro! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skippy Posted May 17, 2023 Share Posted May 17, 2023 7 hours ago, XTreme said: T700 could be an option! Luis Contreras in Almeria has got a nice one! That’ll do nicely but things are a bit tight money-wise at the moment so I may just have to sit tight……….I could always sell my body to get the extra cash, that way I could probably afford the mirrors after a couple of months. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boboneleg Posted May 17, 2023 Share Posted May 17, 2023 12 hours ago, Sir Fallsalot said: New tyre for the rear of the XR arrived today, Only trouble is i think i need a new wheel to put it on, there's a broken spoke a bent one and a few loose ones on the wheel to replace which i have but the rim is in poor condition inside so may go for a rebuild What tyre is that Fred ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boboneleg Posted May 17, 2023 Share Posted May 17, 2023 11 hours ago, XTreme said: T700 could be an option! Luis Contreras in Almeria has got a nice one! How can that be nice , look at the monstrosity on the back of it .............. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boboneleg Posted May 17, 2023 Share Posted May 17, 2023 11 hours ago, Pedro said: So @XTreme: Viscosity is how thin or thick an oil is, like honey is thicker than olive oil when pouring out of a bottle. 10 would be olive oil, 60 would be honey. Weight in oils comes from a time when you couldn't engineer oils to be single weight, they would be a 10, a 20, etc, but all thicker cold than hot. Now they can engineer oils to act like a 10 when cold but act like a 30 or 40 or 50 when hot. The first number, 10W, means viscosity of 10 at W which means Winter, cold temperatures. A 10W30 and 10W40 will act the same at start up when the engine is cold at the same cold temperature. Usually, a motorcycle manual will allow for weather and ambient temperatures, meaning the manufacturer might adjust advisement that the same engine will make oil run hotter being raced hard on 40º Spain than going for a bimble on 15º England, hence they sometimes recommend a 10W40 for 5º/20º temperatures but 20W50 for 15º/40º ambient temperatures. If Honda says Loncin makes that engine to be used with 10W30 in all uses in all temperatures, I would respect that. No modern engine benefits from using thicker oils than recomended except in very extreme conditions, however, do check if Honda doesn't recommend 10W40 for warm temperatures. It's a light engine, with tight clearances and meant to run with little internal frictions to aid economy and performance, makes sense that it uses a light oil. Does not make sense that it doesn't want a fully synthetic oil, though. It's very simple , Honda and the oil barons have a shit load of 10W30 to get rid of. I'll stick to the 10w40 for now 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skippy Posted May 17, 2023 Share Posted May 17, 2023 You’ve got a valid point there mate 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pedro Posted May 17, 2023 Share Posted May 17, 2023 Maybe you can only use chinese oil on it? 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckster Posted May 17, 2023 Share Posted May 17, 2023 19 minutes ago, boboneleg said: What tyre is that Fred ? The one on the right is the new one. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckster Posted May 17, 2023 Share Posted May 17, 2023 35 minutes ago, boboneleg said: How can that be nice , look at the monstrosity on the back of it .............. There are bigger. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boboneleg Posted May 17, 2023 Share Posted May 17, 2023 37 minutes ago, Buckster said: The one on the right is the new one. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Fallsalot Posted May 17, 2023 Share Posted May 17, 2023 1 hour ago, boboneleg said: What tyre is that Fred ? It’s a Mitas rockrider supposed to be a replacement for the discontinued army special thought I’d give it a go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XTreme Posted May 17, 2023 Author Share Posted May 17, 2023 The bike had an oil and filter change yesterday, so today it got fuelled to the brim and then went through the Jet Wash! Next stage is a good polish and then clean and lube the chain. Plenty of time to do that though.....cos it's not going anywhere soon! 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XTreme Posted May 17, 2023 Author Share Posted May 17, 2023 Just had a FaceButt memory from 2014 turn up......... 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clive Posted May 17, 2023 Share Posted May 17, 2023 9 minutes ago, XTreme said: The bike had an oil and filter change yesterday, so today it got fuelled to the brim and then went through the Jet Wash! Next stage is a good polish and then clean and lube the chain. Plenty of time to do that though.....cos it's not going anywhere soon! That looks like our weather forecast, I hope ours is better for Saturday or iam staying at home too. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boboneleg Posted May 17, 2023 Share Posted May 17, 2023 1 hour ago, Sir Fallsalot said: It’s a Mitas rockrider supposed to be a replacement for the discontinued army special thought I’d give it a go Ah yes ! I've got a mate who uses them on his 690 enduro 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Fallsalot Posted May 17, 2023 Share Posted May 17, 2023 1 hour ago, boboneleg said: Ah yes ! I've got a mate who uses them on his 690 enduro What’s he think of them I haven’t read any reviews Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skippy Posted May 17, 2023 Share Posted May 17, 2023 3 hours ago, Sir Fallsalot said: It’s a Mitas rockrider supposed to be a replacement for the discontinued army special thought I’d give it a go I had one of those on the front of my Himalayan and it worked just fine. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yen_powell Posted May 17, 2023 Share Posted May 17, 2023 Had a leaky fork at work yesterday so I tried making one of those seal cleaners out of an old milk bottle and had a bit of a scrape last night. It seemed to stop the leak, but the ride to work tomorrow will let me know for sure. Gave the Kriega fork cover things a clean up and refitted them, quite a bit of grit loose inside the one on the leaky fork, but clean as a whistle on the fork that is behaving, so I'm hoping that was all it was. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XTreme Posted May 17, 2023 Author Share Posted May 17, 2023 5 minutes ago, yen_powell said: so I tried making one of those seal cleaners out of an old milk bottle 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boboneleg Posted May 17, 2023 Share Posted May 17, 2023 1 hour ago, Sir Fallsalot said: What’s he think of them I haven’t read any reviews He likes them, he rides a lot of the lanes around Devon so they must be pretty good 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XTreme Posted May 17, 2023 Author Share Posted May 17, 2023 15 minutes ago, Marcel said: Got some new rubber...I could have squeeze maybe another 1000 out of the mitas...10, 000 km on the original tire. Great choice of tyre! Bob will say it's gay though! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Fallsalot Posted May 17, 2023 Share Posted May 17, 2023 45 minutes ago, Marcel said: Well Bob doesn't know what he's talking about .. it only sees tarmac mostly and anything with knobbie I'd be lucky to get 5000 km before it's obliterated...the bike has more than 50 hp ... So it's double gay then 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Fallsalot Posted May 17, 2023 Share Posted May 17, 2023 My rear wheel is going off to be rimmed and re-spoked tomorrow and the rear sprocket i ordered turned up today, only gone and ordered the wrong one it's not even the right pitch for fuck sake 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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