Real of fake ?

[boboneleg]

Australia’s first hydrogen car comes to market, complete with charging stations in just 5 minutes. The car travels 900 kilometers with the tank full and purifies the air as it moves forward.

For the first time, hydrogen fuel cell technology is being applied serialized in a commercial car and, above all, it allows for such important autonomy, with very reduced charging times.

This is Hyundai Nexo, a small-cylinder car that beats all car manufacturers in the world and sets a sustainability record, with a charge of 6.27 kilograms of hydrogen that purifies 449,100 liters of air during the journey (as much as the consumption of breathing of 33 people for a whole day) and it only emits water down your exhaust pipe. This car produces no CO2 or other polluting emissions; just think that an equivalent vehicle, with a traditional combustion engine, emits about 126 kg of CO2 at the same distance.

The hydrogen engine thus enters the automobile market and intends to join the electric one among the sustainable mobility solutions the world is adopting. Hyundai thus becomes the first automaker in the world to produce a hydrogen fuel cell vehicle for the market.

[Catteeclan]

Real I'd guess. Most manufactures have been experimenting but I didn't think Hyundai would be the first to release.

[Pedro]

Small-cylinder car? 

Sounds like AI generated words.

[Buckster]

Hydrogen fuel cell cars have been around since the ‘60’s but the first mass produced one was from Toyota who built the Mirai in 2014.

[Sir Fallsalot]

Looks like it is

https://www.hyundai.com/uk/en/models/nexo/features.html

[Six30]

Gay

[Saul]

8 hours ago, Six30 said:

Gay

It's alright they do Dildo Blue as a special order 

[Six30]

11 minutes ago, Saul said:

It's alright they do Dildo Blue as a special order 

 

12 minutes ago, Saul said:

It's alright they do Dildo Blue as a special order 

Gay

[Catteeclan]

10 hours ago, Buckster said:

Hydrogen fuel cell cars have been around since the ‘60’s but the first mass produced one was from Toyota who built the Mirai in 2014.

Didn't Honda do one too?

They did. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_FCX

 

and are doing now 

[Saul]

30 minutes ago, Six30 said:

 

Gay

Yep Dildo blue is but you chose it 

[Nute]

I wonder where the hydrogen to run it comes from in the first place. 

[Buckster]

11 minutes ago, Nute said:

I wonder where the hydrogen to run it comes from in the first place. 

It is the most abundant chemical element on the planet.

[boboneleg]

I'm not sure I'd like to be rear ended (steady @Marcel le Moose Fondler)  with those Hydrogen tanks sitting there 

[Six30]

9 hours ago, Saul said:

Yep Dildo blue is but you chose it 

its called rugged individualism ... something you would know fuck all about ... Honda Gay boy 

[Saul]

Just now, Six30 said:

its called rugged individualism ... something you would know fuck all about ... Honda Gay boy 

There that's me told 

[Nute]

8 hours ago, Buckster said:

It is the most abundant chemical element on the planet.

Ah OK, they must just pop down to the lake of hydrogen at the end of their garden to grab a jugful then. 

 

[Catteeclan]

2 hours ago, Nute said:

Ah OK, they must just pop down to the lake of hydrogen at the end of their garden to grab a jugful then. 

 

Yes clean production is a question mark but not as bad as the battery production.

There's good things happening with synthetic fuels too. 

[Tango]

2 hours ago, Marcel le Moose Fondler said:

Buckster would be more knowledgeable on the subject maybe...but it's basically taking water and running and electric current though it...and presto ! You have hydrogen...

Process called electrophoresis.  I remember doing an experiment at school separating the hydrogen and oxygen from water.

[Buckster]

29 minutes ago, Catteeclan said:

Yes clean production is a question mark but not as bad as the battery production.

There's good things happening with synthetic fuels too. 

Synthetic fuel is interesting. 

[Nute]

4 hours ago, Marcel le Moose Fondler said:

Buckster would be more knowledgeable on the subject maybe...but it's basically taking water and running and electric current though it...and presto ! You have hydrogen...

I realise that, I have an electrolysis machine which generates one H and 2O's from a given volume of water, but it uses lots of electricity to do it.  

In an electric car one uses clean power (mostly) to charge the thing up and off you go. There are transmission losses in getting it from generation to point of use, around 10% but it depends on lots of things so could be less. The electric motor in an electric car is around 90% efficient. Overall transmitting and using electricity in a car is pretty efficient. 

For an H car again you need to use electricity... to produce H gas, then you need to liquify it. H needs to be cooled to circa -250DegC to liquify it, process which uses over a quarter of the energy in the H to achieve. Then you need to transport it, still at -250C and store it, still at -250C (I assume?) until it goes into a car fuel tank as gas. The fuel cell/ engine is more efficient than an ICE engine but less so than an electric motor. I think they are 60% efficient? So you lose a big chunk of the energy to make the H then liquify the stuff, then store it, only to use it in an engine which itself is about 60% efficient...or am I missing something here...?

[KAYZ1]

2 hours ago, Nute said:

I realise that, I have an electrolysis machine which generates one H and 2O's from a given volume of water, but it uses lots of electricity to do it.  

In an electric car one uses clean power (mostly) to charge the thing up and off you go. There are transmission losses in getting it from generation to point of use, around 10% but it depends on lots of things so could be less. The electric motor in an electric car is around 90% efficient. Overall transmitting and using electricity in a car is pretty efficient. 

For an H car again you need to use electricity... to produce H gas, then you need to liquify it. H needs to be cooled to circa -250DegC to liquify it, process which uses over a quarter of the energy in the H to achieve. Then you need to transport it, still at -250C and store it, still at -250C (I assume?) until it goes into a car fuel tank as gas. The fuel cell/ engine is more efficient than an ICE engine but less so than an electric motor. I think they are 60% efficient? So you lose a big chunk of the energy to make the H then liquify the stuff, then store it, only to use it in an engine which itself is about 60% efficient...or am I missing something here...?

That seems about right to me..

[Buckster]

9 hours ago, Nute said:

I realise that, I have an electrolysis machine which generates one H and 2O's from a given volume of water, but it uses lots of electricity to do it.  

In an electric car one uses clean power (mostly) to charge the thing up and off you go. There are transmission losses in getting it from generation to point of use, around 10% but it depends on lots of things so could be less. The electric motor in an electric car is around 90% efficient. Overall transmitting and using electricity in a car is pretty efficient. 

For an H car again you need to use electricity... to produce H gas, then you need to liquify it. H needs to be cooled to circa -250DegC to liquify it, process which uses over a quarter of the energy in the H to achieve. Then you need to transport it, still at -250C and store it, still at -250C (I assume?) until it goes into a car fuel tank as gas. The fuel cell/ engine is more efficient than an ICE engine but less so than an electric motor. I think they are 60% efficient? So you lose a big chunk of the energy to make the H then liquify the stuff, then store it, only to use it in an engine which itself is about 60% efficient...or am I missing something here...?

The best way to do it is from seawater as high salinity makes the transfer process easier and more efficient, if you then use solar to produce the electrical charge needed to separate the hydrogen from the oxygen then is becomes sustainable, the amount of energy produced from the hydrogen fuel cell is more than could be produced by having solar on the car. You can use aluminium in sea water as well as it reacts with the sea water to produce hydrogen and aluminium hydroxide, the hydrogen can be collected, there is plenty of scrap aluminium around from all the Indian frames that keep breaking. There are other ways of extracting hydrogen as well including direct water splitting. Interestingly it is more efficient to use an ICE to produce electricity than to drive a car directly so a short term solution is a hybrid drive which some car makers are starting to use, electric motors are about 80%efficient as opposed to ICE only which is about 30% on energy transfer.

[boboneleg]

23 minutes ago, Buckster said:

, there is plenty of scrap aluminium around from all the Indian frames that keep breaking

[Saul]

1 hour ago, Buckster said:

The best way to do it is from seawater as high salinity makes the transfer process easier and more efficient, if you then use solar to produce the electrical charge needed to separate the hydrogen from the oxygen then is becomes sustainable, the amount of energy produced from the hydrogen fuel cell is more than could be produced by having solar on the car. You can use aluminium in sea water as well as it reacts with the sea water to produce hydrogen and aluminium hydroxide, the hydrogen can be collected, there is plenty of scrap aluminium around from all the Indian frames that keep breaking. There are other ways of extracting hydrogen as well including direct water splitting. Interestingly it is more efficient to use an ICE to produce electricity than to drive a car directly so a short term solution is a hybrid drive which some car makers are starting to use, electric motors are about 80%efficient as opposed to ICE only which is about 30% on energy transfer.

Fuzzy memory but I read somewhere about a project to use solar power to create Hydrogen using solar power in the oil rich Arab States.  No shortage of sunshine there I suppose.  

[Catteeclan]

6 hours ago, Saul said:

Fuzzy memory but I read somewhere about a project to use solar power to create Hydrogen using solar power in the oil rich Arab States.  No shortage of sunshine there I suppose.  

Sounds about right as they won't be earning so much from the oil sales.